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Community Space for CIL

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Community Networking Space for CIL 2008


Test Drive CIL '08s  Networking Space

Join CIL 2008's beta test with Swift, a new online community platform forconferences.  Experiment with us by going to www.imswift.com, signing up and connecting Swift to your Facebook, and seeing what our CIL speakers and community have contributed.

For a tutorial on how to get the most out of this space, go here.


Comments (11)

Cindi T said

at 1:44 pm on Mar 13, 2008

I have a feeling that the Swift experience will be more fulfilling once there is content to view. Things that would be nice additions:

Ability to mark speakers/attendees as "friends" within Swift, outside of Facebook.
Ability to mark sessions and create an agenda; better yet, the ability to export sessions or the whole conference into Google Calendar.
Ability to edit my profile--the "Edit" link doesn't do anything in Mac/Firefox, Mac/Safari or WinXP/IE7.
Ability to send sessions or speaker info to delicious, twitter, or my blog.

Also, I tagged an image at flickr with the tag for my session, and it doesn't yet show up in the session's flickr section.

Steve Lawson said

at 2:22 pm on Mar 13, 2008

Yeah, I'm with Cindi. I don't see what value is added with Swift that I'm not getting from a more distributed system (Flickr, this wiki, Technorati, and SlideShare) held together with the cil2008 tag. Also am allergic to the Otter Group.

Anonymous said

at 3:01 pm on Mar 13, 2008

I agree with Cindi and Steve -- I was unable to get the site to do anything I needed it to as a new user -- couldn't edit my profile, and couldn't clearly see how I would benefit from using this in addition to what I will already be doing on Flickr, Twitter, and my own blog. I'd love to be enlightened, though -- I don't want to dismiss a great new tool based on one beta experience. Help us out!

Anonymous said

at 3:39 pm on Mar 13, 2008

I agree with Cindi, Steve and Jenica. I don't see how SWIFT gives me anything I don't already get through Facebook, MySpace, Meebo, Flickr, Twitter, wikis, blogs, etc. Plus, SWIFT's terms of service state that if I post any content to any part of the site, I automatically grant the Otter Group rights to "use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part), transmit, and distribute such User Content for any purpose on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such User Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing." Since I don't necessarily want to give the Otter Group those rights to my content, why would I upload or publish any content to any part of the site.

I just don't see how this is useful or convenient at all.

Anonymous said

at 6:54 pm on Mar 13, 2008

Yesterday it occurred to me that 2.0 is about not having gatekeepers. SWIFT is a password protected system that become a gatekeeper. I would prefer that we continue to disseminate information easily to those attending CIL and those that are not.

BTW SLA has a password protected system for its conference program online and it is a pain the back-side. Hopefully they'll not install SWIFT.

BTW I'm glad that Joshua read the TOS. Thanks! I would prefer to have some control over my content. Although --- having said that --- I wonder if they will publish the presentations, etc., in SWIFT so that only people who attended the conference can use them? We give them the right to publish the materials online (and encourage it), but what if they put the stuff in a closed system?

Jason Griffey said

at 10:17 am on Mar 14, 2008

I'm not sure how Neff read the ToS, since it wouldn't work for me at all...I tried!

Given the ToS, and the walled-garden aspect of SWIFT, I won't be using it for CiL. We are far better off with OPEN tools over closed tools.

Anonymous said

at 12:59 pm on Mar 14, 2008

Oh my gosh, I am amazed at how not-useful this tool is but maybe that's because I'm jealous because I'm not going to CiL. I have a few questions about it

1. This tool seems to provide zero functionality ON facebook, right? Or does it do something if you sign up for events and add content?

2. is it kosher that this application keeps my personal data [photo, friends link] if I have blocked it from Facebook? I don't care that much, just curious about the developer guidelines

3. can anyone edit their profile? I signed up for SWIFT from Facebook and I can't edit my profile or add content or do much of anything.

All this seems to do is just aggregate content from all the fun tools and lock them up in an unfun way, AMIRITE? Sorry I'll be missing all of you. Have fun.

Anonymous said

at 2:35 pm on Mar 14, 2008

I guess I just don't see the point of it. It doesn't post back to Facebook and it doesn't allow any kind of person-to-person communicating that I can figure out. This wiki will be more useful for sharing presentations, notes, etc.

Anonymous said

at 11:27 am on Mar 15, 2008


My name is Tim Halle and I am the product manager for Swift.

I want to first thank everyone for their input and then address some of the concerns people have raised.

So what is the big picture for Swift and how does it work? Without getting into marketing speak or arguing about who's got the best mousetrap, in general it's to allow users to share and aggregate content around a specific event. This is done by providing an index of content using the structure of an event as its backbone. Each session has an individual tag which users can use to tag material relevant to that session in flickr, delicious, and on blogs which then appears on Swift. Speakers have some additional privilages, notably the ability to add links to supplemental content on their bio pages. Each page has it's own RSS feed allowing users to track updates of a given session or of the entire event. This can be incorporated into a wide variety of applications, the most obvious being blogs and news readers. On top of this, there is also a social networking function provided by hooking into the Facebook API.

Unfortunately I just discovered this Wiki limits posts to 2000 characters and you guys had alot of questions and issues, more than I can address in 2000 characters. I have tried to address them by putting a lengthy post up at http://groups.google.com/group/swift-testers/browse_thread/thread/a4bf05215750309a, which is now open to anyone who wants to participate. I am happy to address any further concerns the community may have and will be monitoring the swift support email @ support@imswift.com

Best Regards
Tim Halle
Product Manager

Anonymous said

at 1:58 pm on Mar 15, 2008

Thanks everyone for playing, testing and pointing out areas for improvement -- exactly what a beta test is -- trying, learning, and moving forward. See you at CIL soon where we hope the conversations continue.

Jason Griffey said

at 1:38 pm on Mar 21, 2008

Tim: If Swift is an aggregator vis a vis unique tags, why would we use this instead of relying on something like Technorati? At least Technorati is open to the world...I see what Swift is trying to do, but it still strikes me as social networking that can be sold to conference organizers, and not anything of actual use to participants and presenters. We're already doing all the things Swift is promising with free, open tools. Where's the value-added?

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